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Offline letmemoveyou

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Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« on: February 21, 2012, 11:40 AM »
After my last lambasting, I thought I'd try again... I've abandoned Magaera for the time being but have not given up...

This poem was written for the painting entitled Swirling Vortices  http://nathaneckenrode.com/2012/02/10/swirling-vortices-day-two/


silence resonates
through a place in time eternal
      
fractals fade
fusing in harmony of space

layers of paths overlapping          
swirling vortices of sapphire
laced with  fuchsia
woven with violaceous light

shadow spirits emerge
as artist caresses canvas
life through filament flows
crying out loud in coloured acrylic

the raw timbre of truth
drawn from every whit
unveiling the artist
as there he hangs on exhibit

his soul-soaked canvas
dripping with his dreams

where silence resonates
and he takes his place in time eternal

            SL

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2012, 04:56 PM »
While making no claim to being a poetry critic, I do like this.
In addition thanks for using the word 'violaceous'. In all my years I have no idea how that word got past me, but I looked it up. A new word to love.
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it only takes away today's peace.

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 12:15 AM »
I did not look at the painting because a poem needs to stand alone. My opinion would not be changed if I would now click on the link. You have used a stack of worn out, overused phrases and terms:

silence resonates
a place in time eternal
harmony of space
paths overlapping     
spirits emerge
etc
etc

The best advice I could give you is to abandon this also, then go to the library and read, read, read, read some poetry.  Then go back to the library and read, read, read more poetry. Sorry for the lambasting, but you really should be developing some skill in another section. You will find less stress, less what you probably consider to be rude jerks and less truth. But, that is sometimes needed.  :dblu   

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 04:59 AM »


I agree that the poem needs to stand alone first. Then look at the accompanying picture.

Here are a few suggestions:

silence resonates
through a place in time eternal     
fractals fade
fusing in harmony of space

layers of paths overlapping         
swirling vortices of sapphire-
laced with  fuchsia
woven with violaceous light

shadow spirits emerge
as (the) artist caresses (his)canvas (I would prefer modifiers here.)
life through filament flows
crying out loud in coloured acrylic

the raw timbre of truth
drawn from every whit
unveiling the artist (repetition of artist?)
as there he hangs on exhibit

his soul-soaked canvas
dripping with his dreams

where silence resonates
and he takes his place in time eternal (another repetition)


I look forward to your revision.



I listen for each lonely breath.

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 07:35 AM »
I also agree the poem should stand alone. And minus the two lines at the beginning and end, which I had considered removing entirely, I thought I had some good lines.  A friend told me that here I would be welcomed and I would learn here. It does say Sharp Critique so I expected such... but perhaps I need to learn a lot more first. Thank you  for the feedback. 

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 09:45 AM »
Henri Matisse stated it correctly, when he said, .."to paint a rose one must forget all the roses ever painted.."

This would apply to creative poetry too. You could go to all the libraries in the world and you still wont learn as much as you can from the poets here in the AX. Hands on experience is the best teacher.

Don't give up on either poems. Both are still blooming and when your done you will have two very unique roses. Two roses that speak you, the inner you.


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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 10:07 AM »
I think there would be great benefit to trying a section where the scrutiny is not so deep by those who have strong opinions of what a poem is or should be. Honestly, you could post a 5 or 6 liner here and have 8 ideas of how to radically change it to the "better" and all eight could be wrong. That aside, a process like that makes it difficult for someone feeling their way around to learn.  You should try another post in the "softer" critique area, knowing that you will only get super-duper, all-praise, fabulous, studendous, WOW!!! commentary. Then you can add that you are looking to get some feedback of the gentle nature that is helpful in developing the piece. After polishing and honing you can post in the AX for more lambasting, but it will make more sense at that point. So, I am not suggesting that you give up or move on, just that you grow slowly.  The fact that you have posted for the world to see is the first step and for that you deserve a pat on the back, not a kick in the rump!

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2012, 05:10 PM »
While I appreciate candour, I would like to focus on the poem. I did post elsewhere… receiving only pats… I do not find approving pats helpful for improvement.  I am looking for real constructive criticism and helpful suggestions.

There are definitely lines I think are weak... we all know that artists dream of immortality… no need to say so.  I have removed lines L1 L2,L3, and then L19-20… changed 13 completely.. not sure for the better... I hope this version is a little improved.



fractals fade fusing

layers of paths overlapping          
swirling vortices of sapphire
laced with fuchsia
woven with violaceous light

shadow spirits emerge
as artist caresses canvas
life through filament flows
crying out loud in coloured acrylic

silence resonates

every tender stroke
drawn from every whit
unveiling the artist
as there he hangs on exhibit

his soul-soaked canvas
dripping with his dreams

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2012, 06:27 PM »
well, you're obviously here to get better and not taking things too personally, so  here we go:

First off, I think the artwork sucks, but hey that's just my opinion. I won't let it get in the way of some valuable advice.
The best lesson to writing good poetry is to learn how to identify bad poetry. In regards to this piece, I echo Steve's opinion.

Cliches: Avoid overused words and phrases, they come across as novice or lazy. It's very difficult to make them work.



fractals fade fusing

layers of paths overlapping          
swirling vortices of sapphire
laced with fuchsia
woven with violaceous light

shadow spirits emerge
as artist caresses canvas
life through filament flows
crying out loud in coloured acrylic

silence resonates


every tender stroke
drawn from every whit
unveiling the artist
as there he hangs on exhibit

his soul-soaked canvas
dripping with his dreams



Another bit of advice, when writing poetry, try not to sound too— wait for it— poetic. It comes across forced/ contrived and stands out like a sore thumb. Here's a an example of a writer making good use of some over used words (and topic).



so you want to be a writer?


If it doesn't come bursting out of you
in spite of everything,
don't do it.
unless it comes unasked out of your
heart and your mind and your mouth
and your gut,
don't do it.
if you have to sit for hours
staring at your computer screen
or hunched over your
typewriter
searching for words,
don't do it.
if you're doing it for money or
fame,
don't do it.
if you're doing it because you want
women in your bed,
don't do it.
if you have to sit there and
rewrite it again and again,
don't do it.
if it's hard work just thinking about doing it,
don't do it.
if you're trying to write like somebody
else,
forget about it.


if you have to wait for it to roar out of
you,
then wait patiently.
if it never does roar out of you,
do something else.

if you first have to read it to your wife
or your girlfriend or your boyfriend
or your parents or to anybody at all,
you're not ready.

don't be like so many writers,
don't be like so many thousands of
people who call themselves writers,
don't be dull and boring and
pretentious, don't be consumed with self-
love.
the libraries of the world have
yawned themselves to
sleep
over your kind.
don't add to that.
don't do it.
unless it comes out of
your soul like a rocket,
unless being still would
drive you to madness or
suicide or murder,
don't do it.
unless the sun inside you is
burning your gut,
don't do it.

when it is truly time,
and if you have been chosen,
it will do it by
itself and it will keep on doing it
until you die or it dies in you.

there is no other way.

and there never was.


—Charles Bukowski





There's a start anyways, and Steve is right: Read more established poets, moreover, read some tutorials, there's plenty on the internet.
If you can look back at your earlier writing and see (and sometimes cringe) at what other writers saw, you'll know you've grown.

Keep at it, don't get discouraged, and remember everyone has their own opinion. At the end of the day you have to like what you write.

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2012, 08:56 PM »
"violaceous"....... 

Were you dancing with Roget by the pale moonlight?


oi  this is one purple lasagna.



But you DO have to start somewhere, even if it means writing pages and pages of excrement.

I still have the journals filled with my beginner stuff.  Reading it makes my teeth hurt.

You have been given excellent advice: Read. Read. Read. And then read even more. You will find poets that seem to speak to you alone. Study the work. Ask yourself why it works.  Look at the word choices.


Bukowski is my hero.  (Eh, one of 'em.)  He lays it all out for you right here  (thank you 7 !)


So - the question, does it burn your gut?    If it does, keep writing.


And we'll keep holding your feet to the fire.



WF
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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2012, 09:13 PM »
Thank you for your candor and understanding. What I like about you is that you must have pit bull in your background, somewhere!  The problem with pit bulls, however, is that they do not know when to let go. Yes, you want words that guide and lead you in a direction toward improvement, but there is nothing that can be salvaged in this piece, IMO.  Write another piece, something less contrived, less forced, less designed to impress, less of what you have been told poetry should be and more of what it is to you. You will be shocked yourself at the difference.

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 08:21 AM »
Thanks everyone... after reading the "so you want to be a writer" ...I had an epiphany... and btw... I am a writer... e venif what I write sometimes sucks!
The point is... I never felt what I wrote. The artist asked me to write a poem for the piece.. which is also not my style... I did not see what he saw... and I tried to do what he asked to honour his request. Good advice from all of you... I will not be disappearing.

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 09:10 AM »
Not that I want to be seen as kicking  a dead horse... here was my original version... this is what I felt... then was told that the piece was about space, serenity, solitude... and I made the mistake of trying to write the intent and not what I saw or felt... I do deserve a kick in the ass for that! It was declared a little too macabre. I acknowledge the cliche of artist caressing canvas...  (I forgive myself) .  You may kick me too.. but if i'm going down... I'm going down authentic.

fractals fade fusing

layers of paths overlapping          
swirling vortices of sapphire
laced with  fuchsia
woven with violaceous light

demons retreat
as artist caresses canvas
soul through filament flows
screaming out loud in coloured acrylic

the raw timbre of truth
drawn from every whit
unveils the artist
as there he hangs on exhibit

his blood-soaked canvas
dripping with his dreams

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Re: Out Loud In Coloured Acrylic
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 05:35 PM »
letmemoveyou,

I decided against it.

Bill