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other side of still
« on: February 03, 2012, 02:32 PM »

slender hours
squeeze something quietly real

the other side of still
is a rip in a whisper

stroll through black
there is not more black

beyond tender silence
is great commotion

not without its
sirens

cobblestone

refracted shy lamp light

don't be fooled

its menace
blackened discarnates flee





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slender hours
squeeze something quietly real

the other side of still
is a rip in a whisper

stroll through black
there is not more black

beyond tender silence
is great commotion

not without its
sirens

cobblestone

refracted shy lamp light


now you know why curves
of grey smoke rise into the night sky




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slender hours
squeeze something quietly real

the other side of still
is a rip in a whisper

stroll through black
there is not more black

beyond tender silence
is great commotion

not without its
sirens

cobblestone

refracted shy lamp light


this is why curves of grey smoke
rise into our night sky







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Re: other side of still
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 02:35 PM »
every word is precise, carved, perfect
until the final line
which I urge you to reconsider.
"A community of poets is like a community of cats." joey

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Re: other side of still
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 05:38 PM »
SkaaDee,

1.  What makes an hour "slender"?

2.  What does "quietly" modify?  Does it modify the "squeeze" or the "real"? 

3.  How does one determine what the "real" is?  A reader cannot be engaged by such an abstract presentation.

4.  "still" is to motion as "whisper" is to sound.   "Be still" has been used to silence opposing voices, but that fact only confuses the reader more.  Since "still" is a modifier, unless you're south of the Mason-Dixon line, what is being still?  If still does not cause the rip, because it is the other side of still that is "a rip in a whisper", then what caused the rip?  Why should we care about a rip?

5.  What is the "black" that something or someone is strolling through?  Is "through" meant to state that after you are through the "black", that is, on the other side of whereever it began, there is no more black?  Why is the person or thing strolling?

6.  Why is silence "tender"?  What renders it tender?  What is causing the "great" commotion, since commotion, in and of itself, is usually pretty boisterous? 

7.  Why does "great commotion" have "sirens"?  Why does it need them?  Now, you might have meant that "tender silence" is the person or thing that also has sirens.  However, the structure of the lines disconnects the sirens from the silence and connects them to the commotion.

8.  Why does "cobblestone" deserve a line all its own?  What makes the street lamp "shy"?  Is there a fog surrounding it?  Is it enamoured of the cobblestone, but does not have the courage to express its feelings?

9.  Who or what is threatened with being fooled?  Who or what is generating the threat?  Who or what owns the "menace"?  Is it the shy street lamp?  Probably not.  Is it the black that one is strolling through, which could not be entirely black,  because of that shy street lamp?

10.  A person or thing cannot "discarnate."  It could "dis" carnate, that is, make fun of the flesh.  However, if carnate, flesh, then it can disincarnate, that is, rid itself of flesh.  However, one would like to know how that is possible?  What kind of person or think is able to do that magic trick?

11.  How did the "menace" get blackened?  What blackened it?  Why did it flee?  What scared it off? 

I think you might be following the trend of vampirism running rampant in teen novels and bouncing off the metroplex screens.  But that is just a thought.

This poem suffers from too many abstracts.  I'm sure you see something, but you are not showing the reader what it is you see.  Minimalism has its place. (By the way, so does proper syntax and punctuation, despite the fact that it is trendy now to eliminate all such marks, proper word order, and a respect for the fact that the mind does respect grammar.)  However, when it becomes an end in and of itself, the poem suffers, even if the author sets it in italics to try to give it more presence than it actually has.

Start over.  Let the readers in on the secret behind all these tangential phrases.  This does not intrique, frighten, mystify, or terrify.  It just sits there, waiting for something to happen.

Keep writing.

Bill

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Re: other side of still
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 04:04 PM »
Hey Veronique


I've come to the realization that I'm not a writer. A writer is someone who enjoys the act of writing.
Feels alive when writing, when writing anything. Can't wait to dive in.
I'm not that. At least not to any degree.
I'm someone surprised to create anything, and stands back
and ponders.

I'm intrigued by your observation and will spend some time on it.

thanks

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Re: other side of still
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 04:08 PM »
Hi Bill

I'm flattered you would like more details but I'm afraid if I elborate, it won't enhance your enjoyment of the poem.







 

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Re: other side of still
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 11:01 PM »
SkaaDee,

Either you revel in sarcasm, because you believe my critique inane, or, you think that the lengthy criticism is indicative of how much the poem engaged my intellect and my imagination.

So, let me make myself clear.  Don't feel flattered. 

I did not enjoy the poem.  The analysis is indicative of how much it lacks, not how much I enjoyed it.   It is trendy nonsense and nothing more.

Bill

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Re: other side of still
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 09:34 AM »
Given that choice, I consider your critique inane (your word), although I do thank you for taking the time to express it.
Actually inane is not the word. I do not pass judgment upon it beyond assessing the critique's usefulness.

I feel a little bad that you took so much time writing it, but not bad enough, or shamed enough, to entertain it more than to log its content.
Although I feel some of your post is disingenuous, for instance, do you really want to know why "cobblestone" deserves a line all its own or are you really saying it shouldn't? If the latter, then the appropriate response IS sarcasm, or something equally disingenuous.

Bookends.
Electrons circling the same proton.



And, again, I do thank you for taking the time.
(no sarcasm here.)


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Re: other side of still
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2012, 02:01 AM »
I don't know what you're talking about. This poem is closed to me. I think you might want to answer some of Bill's questions for yourself. His critique seems helpful.

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Re: other side of still
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 10:58 AM »

Hi YukonJack

Thanks for the comment, and thanks for making my thread your first here at Tin Roof Alley.


Scott

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Re: other side of still
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 05:14 PM »
I have read this and, like Bill, find it obscure and obtuse. Not at all my kind of write, but I have difficulty believing that anyone other that the writer would have a clue what this is about.  (Maybe a tale of someone sitting on a lonely dark street smoking a doobie and thinking about loosing love)  Sorry.

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Re: other side of still
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 10:54 PM »
I'm having trouble accessing this site on my laptop at home, maybe I can get through on my phone. You are welcome, Scott. So... What is this about?

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Re: other side of still
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 06:18 AM »


I must be the weirdo in the bunch. I get it and can relate. Here are my suggestions.

slender hours
squeeze something quietly real

the other side of still
is a rip in a whisper

stroll through black
there is not more black

beyond tender silence
is great commotion

not without its
sirens

cobblestone (I might add an S to this.)

refracted shy lamp light


now you know why curves
of grey smoke rise into the night sky




I listen for each lonely breath.

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Re: other side of still
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 10:29 AM »
Hi Everyone

I can tell you what I believe it to be about, or how it came about, or what was in my mind when I wrote it,
but the first question that needs to be answered by the reader is

... do I like it.

If the answer is yes, then no other questions need to be asked, and "clarification" by the poet can only be a detriment.
If clarification actually improves the enjoyment of the poem, then to some degree the poem is a failure or at least incomplete.
On the other hand I don't consider poems to be riddles. The idea should largely be understandable to the reader.
 
As I re-examine this poem, perhaps it gets off on the wrong foot with " slender hours".
Slender hours are between 1 and 3 in the morning. Away from bustle, away from wifi and compressors.
If you listen very closely at this time of day, you'll begin to hear a world that has always been there, a world monks meditate on,
scientist theorizes on. Philosophies may call it that still small voice. Einstein called it time/space. Mediums call it the spirit world.

This poet called it the other side of still.


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Re: other side of still
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2012, 04:17 PM »
That small explanation explains what this is about, however, as a reader now knowing where the writer is coming from, I continue to find it horribly obscure, still, and on the other or any side of still.   :poet