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Re: 9yr Old Banned From Youth BaseBall League for Being Too Good!
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2008, 09:26 PM »
Marsupial Man, thank you. It takes a big person to do that.
It's  how we spur each other to be better people. Hopefully I can follow your fine example.

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Re: 9yr Old Banned From Youth BaseBall League for Being Too Good!
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2008, 09:31 PM »
Thank you TL7, that was kind of you. <---- its T7L btw

Marsupial Man:
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I'll expand one step further: I'm sick and tired of society constantly trying to sanatize everything in this world for children. Some places are for adults.  I think Splash Hall is one of them places for adults/adolescents.


You missed the whole point of what I was saying.
First of all I don't allow my grandchildren free reign on the computer. We are on line together, or, at the least, I'm in the same room, as the computer is in my den.

Second, I have never cursed in the presence of my parents, children, or grandchildren. I make that point only to say its not an impossible task. Your admission that you immediatly apologise to your kids on the occasion that you do sets a fine example, but doesn't that also confirm my point that the kind of language one uses in the presence children should not be vulgar?

I know there are adult conversations here in splash and I don't shield them from serious topics, but this is a poetry and general conversation board as well.
My whole point is, in the areas of general conversation, we need to be aware of our visitors. That has zero to do with sanitizing everything for children.

Beyond that, I simply fail to see why cleaning things up in the general areas is such a problem. Are we so far evolved that this is something to be ridiculed? I realize I'm not going to get any agreement if that is the case, which in it self is sad.

Someone has to be the voice in any society to call attention to these types of things, even though that someone knows he/she may go out on the proverbial limb. I don't mind being that voice. After all, isn't a reminder to be more respectful something we all do from time to time?





Thanks for the support MM

A-Friend, the only problem Im really having with all this, your opinions on what is proper and what isnt, two things:

1) Parents, Grandparents, and society as a whole, should stop shifting blame, and pointing at everyone else for influencing how their children may turn out to be, lets face reality here; regardless of how sheltered we may try to keep our children, they will learn and be exposed to the world by their peers, like it or not. As far as this site goes, whether you agree or not, it is an adult oriented website. No, its not porn, but this site does deal with adult subjects. Take your thread for example, rich with history, and brimming with opinion. Now, I'm not saying that your off base with any, or all of your opinions, I'm not. What I am saying is that I would prefer to screen a thread like that, to make sure your opinions coincide with my own, and how I choose to raise my child. The difference is, I am taking responsibility for my child, I am not delegating, and pointing fingers at society. I will not blame others for what is essentially my job. Thats how I see things.

2) Not only does cussing occur in this particular area of the site, but it is seen, highlighted, and left up for display,  sure its frowned upon, but that doesn't stop your women and grandchildren from seeing such does it?, and thats the basis of your argument here, is it not? where were you when I was getting personally attacked, with this language, by another member for an honest critique I gave them in the Ax? Nowhere, you were nowhere in site, not a peep.

http://www.splashhall.org/poetry_forums/index.php/topic,13896.msg95667.html#msg95667

The irony here, that post was written by a 16yr old... child.





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Re: 9yr Old Banned From Youth BaseBall League for Being Too Good!
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2008, 10:07 PM »
T7L, I think you're still missing my point.
It's not about shielding children from everything, it's about us as adults being respectful in a community. Are we to shield children from learning how to be respectful? Do we just teach our children that any and everything society does is ok and we should not hold society accountable� for the ills it produces?
The main issue you miss in your statement is this society you're speaking of is made up of individuals. If you or I become better people, society becomes better.

I've acknowledged that this forum has adult places, so at the risk of repeating myself, I'm speaking of the forums that have general conversations. As to my forum in Black Histroy you will note I keep it clean.
When I state my opinion its done so based on facts, but I say its my opinion. You will note that I do a lot of research and I note that research in my posts. I invite any and all to challenge my opinons or correct my facts. The analogy you tried to use doesn't have anything to do with the subject at hand.

Don't get me wrong, I applaud you for monitoring what your children see and I agree we can't protect them from everything that comes along, but that does not absolve us as individuals from being responsible for what we do or say in public places. One cannot participate in the ills of a society, then turn around and say we can't protect children from it. We can do a better job by not being a part of what we say we can't shield our children from.

Regarding your question about where was I at a particular time, please note I don't read each and every post. Had I read it I surely would have commented on it as I have done so in the past.
But if your question and subsequent comment are really sincere, not posted just for arguement, and I was there to speak out, wouldn't that defense/support for/of you completely contradict your entire statement?

What you call irony, in reality, is not. That is the direct result of a child that has not been taught proper manners. That is a child that lacks discipline and it shows in his/her behavior. There is no excuse for a child speaking like that to adluts (and, I might add, there would be no excuse for an adult either) or in a public forum. It's a classic example of what I'm try to get you to understand and serves to solidify my point.
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Re: 9yr Old Banned From Youth BaseBall League for Being Too Good!
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2008, 10:47 PM »
TL7, I think you're still missing my point. It's not about shielding children from everything, it's about us as adults being respectful in a community. Are we to shield children from learning how to be respectful? Do we just teach our children that any and everything society does is ok and we should not hold society accountable  for the ills it produces? The real issue you miss in your statement is this society you're speaking of is made up of individuals. If you or I become better people, society becomes better.
Don't get me wrong, I applaud you for monitoring what your children see and I agree we can't protect them from everything that comes along, but that does not absolve us as individuals from being responsible for what we do or say in public places. One cannot participate in the ills of a society, then turn around and say we can't protect children from it. We can do a better job by not being a part of what we say we can't shield our children from.

Regarding your last two lines, please note I don't read each and every post. Had I read it I surely would have commented on it as I have done so in the past.

But if your last two lines are really sincere, not posted just for arguement, and I was there to speak out, doesn't that completely contradict your entire statement previous to those two lines?


I am not missing the point, I feel you are, I mean you cant even type my handle correctly, even after being corrected: T7L

Yet, you come into a thread I have made, read it, leave a comment agreeing with my stance, but yet try to correct me about my language. Heres my point: I do not feel children should be on this site, there is more adult content I am concerned with them reading then just a cuss word here and there. I would bet dollar to donuts that your grandchildren are more familiar with cuss words than say: war, disease, death, racism, impotence, premature ejaculation, homosexuality, sadomasochism, masturbation
etc etc.... thats just a few topics off the top of my head I recall, I think I actually read a piece about bestiality on this site as well.

I'm just saying, why would you take your grandchildren to McDonalds if you were raising them vegetarian?
and then blame society for the supply and demand of animal products, all you have to do is change the channel

Thats my point, and I think we have been over this before haven't we? In your thread about 50 cent's lawsuit, and  freedom of speech, and what came of that? I made my point and was conveniently ganged up on, so I politely excused my self from the debate due to the fact that I felt we found ourselves at an impasse. Now, unless you are following me around and trying to just harass me, which I don't think is  looked upon with much favor in these parts. I would politely ask you to return the favor.

At any rate, I am done with this thread. Thank you for the dialogue Mr. Friend, and although I feel we both care about our families, I am convinced that we differ philosophically on how we choose to view, and accept this world we live in, and thats okay.

Thats the beauty of America, and freedom of speech, to have difference of opinion and be able to express it.

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Re: 9yr Old Banned From Youth BaseBall League for Being Too Good!
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2008, 11:21 PM »
I was not going to post any more T7L, but your outburst compels me to.

You have moved from a solid debate to being childish. That was what you did in our other debate and I thought you had grown up a little since then.
As far as you getting ganged up on in Black History, you know that is a lie. I won't tolerate that and everybody here that knows me will verify that.

Now here's my bottom line. I'm not following you or harrassing you. I  commented on a post that by chance you started. I don't care who it would have been the comment would have been the same.
Please learn that a debate is give and take. You loose everytime when you resort to the personal attacks.
Here's some lessons in forum debating 101 and afterward I'm not going to participate in your childish behavior further.

1) When you run out of words take a time out and come back later. It helps to review the points and gives you time to form intelligent thoughts.

2)When you run out of words it usually means you can no longer defend your position. The wise thing is at that time acknowlege it, or at least don't post any follow up.

3)Resorting to childish personals does not make your arguement intelligent

Check mate my man, you loose.
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Re: 9yr Old Banned From Youth BaseBall League for Being Too Good!
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2008, 12:32 AM »
1) In your thread, several people shared your opinion and challenged mine. I DID feel ganged up on, like it or not.

2) I have not run out of words. In fact, I use more words than you would care to use. Hence this "debate".

3) I have never undermined your opinion, as you have mine by calling it childish, nor have I ever personally attacked you.

Again, I apologize if I upset your entire family with my post. I have edited out the expletive out of respect,
and have refrained from using any words in this thread that you, or your family, might find offensive.

It seems, quite clearly at this point, that you feel compelled to state your opinions, yet do not feel that others,
that may differ from yours, are as valid. In summery, and regarding your last post, I feel as if I am being attacked.

Mr. Friend, you are 100% correct,.. you win. You see, I was never debating anything in this thread.

I have stated what I believe in, and not tried to force my opinions, or ways down anyones throat, nor
do I expect anyone to live their lives the way I chose to live mine.

Live and let live, I say.



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Re: 9yr Old Banned From Youth BaseBall League for Being Too Good!
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2008, 01:39 AM »
I don't know if you noticed, but we live in a world where people try to homogenize everything.

I was a baseball coach for 23 years of my life. From Pro's to Tee ball--High School, College--I did it.

I was able to start a league for handicapped youth called challenger--this is still going and now boasts a couple hundred players every season.
We followed the rules dicated by Little League and--every game was supposed to be a tie?
I got done and this severly handicapped young man of about 18 looks at me and says " Coach it was no tie, we kicked the crap out of those guys"

We had to change the rules to allow winners and loosers--cause that is a part of life,we should all become familiar with--We can't win or tie everything we try--sometimes you loose

So the fact they would try to stop a talented kid from playing the game does not surprise me.
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Re: 9yr Old Banned From Youth BaseBall League for Being Too Good!
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2008, 01:29 PM »
I don't know if you noticed, but we live in a world where people try to homogenize everything.

I was a baseball coach for 23 years of my life. From Pro's to Tee ball--High School, College--I did it.

I was able to start a league for handicapped youth called challenger--this is still going and now boasts a couple hundred players every season.
We followed the rules dicated by Little League and--every game was supposed to be a tie?
I got done and this severly handicapped young man of about 18 looks at me and says " Coach it was no tie, we kicked the crap out of those guys"

We had to change the rules to allow winners and loosers--cause that is a part of life,we should all become familiar with--We can't win or tie everything we try--sometimes you loose

So the fact they would try to stop a talented kid from playing the game does not surprise me.


Only the remedial divisions in little league have the no-score rules.
My son played 'Majors' this past season, and if I remember correctly:
T-Ball (no score) A (no score/ coach pitch) AA (score/ coach & player pitch) AAA, AAAA, & Majors (score/ player pitch)
Now typically a 9 yr old could play for several different divisions, depending on skill level. (thats LL's equalizer)
The only children who don't have to try out are the 5, 6, and 7 yr olds.

Like I said earlier, 9yr olds are playing for keeps, and are being coached that way.
IMO, there is nothing wrong with a healthy level of competition for children this age,
parents that disagree should go enroll their child in a different program

BTW, Fragments, Im sure your more than aware of what I just wrote.
But for the sake of this thread, and folks who might not be familiar with
the program, I thought this information might prove helpful.

The little boy who was banned does not play for Little League, but if he was
the kid would  have had to have tried out, placed appropriately, and played
against others that matched his skill level, and this issue wouldn't exist.


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Re: 9yr Old Banned From Youth BaseBall League for Being Too Good!
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2008, 02:08 PM »
I don't know if you noticed, but we live in a world where people try to homogenize everything.

I was a baseball coach for 23 years of my life. From Pro's to Tee ball--High School, College--I did it.

I was able to start a league for handicapped youth called challenger--this is still going and now boasts a couple hundred players every season.
We followed the rules dicated by Little League and--every game was supposed to be a tie?
I got done and this severly handicapped young man of about 18 looks at me and says " Coach it was no tie, we kicked the crap out of those guys"

We had to change the rules to allow winners and loosers--cause that is a part of life,we should all become familiar with--We can't win or tie everything we try--sometimes you loose

So the fact they would try to stop a talented kid from playing the game does not surprise me.

It's a load of BS, really.  They should be ENCOURAGING that kid, not destroy his love for baseball.
Let me find the promoters of mediocrity, that I might smite them into oblivion..... GRRRRRRRR.....
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Yes, I know who struck me...
It was INSPIRATION...

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