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Offline dublinsteve

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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2008, 10:36 PM »
frags,

Don't know much about Bukowski, but I have heard that he has probably made more money than any poet in print.

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If John Martin and Black Sparrow press doesn't come into his life
we wouldn't know him at all.

Tell me that 99% of any artist's or performer's success is not a result of "somebody" discovering them,

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All the traditional presses shunned him
especially the academic ones

who gives a rat's ass about either one of those groups other than the bootlicking, backslapping, gladhanding little circle of friends that comprise them?

If you really want to know why this country shuns/belittles poetry, just take a look at what those folks continue to publish and distribute (in minute quantities) every year.

From what I read of the Bukowski in your comment, he wrote for the masses and not the asses. As a result, his books sold.

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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2008, 02:53 AM »
mister steve, i love you, i respect you and i would happily pay a hooker to birth your children. 

HOWEVER,

how the fuck do you go to bed at night without knowing the genius of bukowski?

i spent the afternoon at his residence two days ago just so i might know what his chain link fence smells like.

come on,
your brother,
street
now was always better than then

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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2008, 04:07 AM »
Cy--You make me laugh until it hurts-- ;D


hcscable--There is no perfect formula for critique--if there was we would not have to discuss it.
I think in many ways its like coaching--you point out direction
Some players are first string--while others ride the bench--after the same training
You might not have been exposed to enough bukowski to appreciate the scope of his talent.


Steve-Buk wrote to please himself--the masses caught up later
one of his finest was written long before he became popular

The roominghouse madrigals--1946-1966-

this shows the formative process of one of the the bawdiest poets since Baudelaire

great that this garnered such a response
Now get back to heavy axing
The clouds told him their names, in the quiet of the summer afternoon
Charles Simic from "The World Doesn't End"

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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2008, 08:25 AM »
*smilin'

Uh, cy, despising the foolishness of "celebrity," and those who idolize anyone, in his peculiar prescience, buk probably pissed all over that fence, and would chuckle at the thought of anyone smelling it.



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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2008, 12:04 PM »
Cy,

Interesting thought.  However, before I commit to anything legally, are we talking Escort Service or a simple street lady? And if street, are we talking Uptown, Midtown or Downtown?  And if Midtown are we talking right side up or upside down?

Your most humble fish hatchery,

Mr. Steve

ps, perhaps I shall swim to the library and take a hefty look, nibble on a Buk book, see do I swallow the hook.

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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2008, 12:14 PM »
Fragments. I have read enough Bukowski to determine that I did not care for his work. He reminded me of a very young Hemmingway before Papa learned how to write.
I have never been one to follow the crowd. Those who idolize a particular poet/artist and whom try so very hard to emulate them are doomed to failure. There can be only one of someone. You can learn from them...but, you will never be them. Dead is dead!
Celebrate yourself!
"Painting is poetry and poetry is painting with the gift of speech"...Simonides {556 B.C.-468 B.C.}

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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2008, 01:08 PM »
mister steve, awfully swell of you to take on bukowski.  say hello and give him my love.  speaking of love; give "love is dog from hell" a go.  the poem titled "shoestring" pretty much sums up this thread.  as far as your progeny go, i think the good people of nevada might assist and if not, i know a hurricane transvestite in puerto rico who has skills.  let me know your preference, think tropical versus oasis.

mister bill, i am not sure if you are gullible or a genius.  time will tell.

mister fragments, i took a stab at the five positives and made it to three twice.  five is a bitch, but i know it works.  years ago, my therapist suggested the same principles to succeed in relationships.  for every time you call your woman a what's her name, you need to say five nice things before you call her something else derogatory.  an even simpler way to skin the cat is to carry a whip in one hand and a feather in the other.

the feather
the whip
the feather
the whip

miz cable, don't fret, eventually you will like me.

loving you all,
cy bish port street



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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2008, 01:22 PM »
Cy. I never said I did not like you. You are a very talented writer. I do not like Bukowski. You are not Bukowski. I am grateful for that.
"Painting is poetry and poetry is painting with the gift of speech"...Simonides {556 B.C.-468 B.C.}

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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2008, 09:22 PM »
Oh I agree, but we can learn much from a master.
If you want to teach sonnet's--do we not use Willie Shakespeare?
And there is much that can be learned from poetic history.

Bukowski was someone who got poetry being read by people that never read poetry before.
To me that is a an accomplishment we should all emulate.

The clouds told him their names, in the quiet of the summer afternoon
Charles Simic from "The World Doesn't End"

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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2008, 09:25 PM »
Cy I agree--five is a very hard benchmark even if you are reviewing a poetic steak and not just the grizzle
The clouds told him their names, in the quiet of the summer afternoon
Charles Simic from "The World Doesn't End"

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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2019, 03:07 PM »
I miss the give
the take
the scratch
the unexpected.

When did we grow up
move on
out grow

our training wheels?
"Come Fairies, take me out of this dull world for I would ride with you upon the wind and dance upon the mountains like a flame."      W.B. Yeats



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Re: About Critic-Amherst Writing Workshops
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2019, 05:42 AM »

No answer for your question WF, I wish it wasn't so though!
Be careful of your thoughts; they may become words at any moment.  ~  Ira Gassen