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Offline Kay

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The dictionary says:

erotica is:

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literature or art dealing with sexual love.

and I couldn't agree more. But some people in their
intense quest for passion, are not savoring what this art form
really is. At least this is my opinion, humble though it may be.
They go for "wham, bam, thank you ..." and there's nothing
there but the act itself. Is that erotic? Is that different?
Anything goes?

What do you think (if anything) separates hard core or even soft
porn writing from what I and many others feel is the more skillful and artful poetry which is erotica?  Should we define it? We do most everything else. The car sitting in my driveway isn't a bus, it's a car.

So what is erotica?

I think there is a difference between erotica
and crude language that guts the entire piece with no buildup.

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A very good question, Kay - and one that I'm sure will stir some emotional responses.

I feel that erotica deals more with sensuality and the essence of the feelings.  When writing erotica, it is definitely the intent to arouse the reader - but, you will find there are some who feel (and will insist) that defining the "act" of sex itself, is erotic.

Is there a good place to draw the line?  It's hard to say - may depend on where it's posted, and who's reading it.  The best thing about a place like this is having the ability to click away from the poem if it isn't to our taste - and there is nothing requiring us to comment on things we don't like.

With such different styles that people write in today it's difiicult to separate the wham, bam, to the point type writing ... from the edgy, in your face, slam type poetry that so many are writing.  So, it's possibly down to the question of whether sensorship should be put in place.

As for me, I'll always prefer to read (and write) the softer, more tender style of poem.  The art of seduction is definitely erotic.
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Re: Erotica - What is your definition in either Poetry or Literature?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2007, 03:01 PM »
Daisy,

Thank you for  your thoughts on this.

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The art of seduction is definitely erotic.

I couldn't agree more!  :coffee

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Re: Erotica - What is your definition in either Poetry or Literature?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2007, 04:10 PM »
Hello Kay...all *waves*  Good thread topic Kay...I completely agree with the above reply...the Erotic inuendo is , for me, far more tantalizing than the actual factual "down and dirty" wham/bam stuff...I think the imagery portrayal is far more alluring than crass speak...sure, there can occasionally be the illicit word useage to make a point but over-kill bores me.  Just my opinion for what it's worth.  I think that the creative poet can masterfully hint at or slide across a topic , for the most part without being downright crude...it is the crude bulk that bores me as a reader when reading erotica...how many times can a gal read: "...and he fucked her til they both came" before dozing off or turning the page to see if a far more creative avenue exists?  Erotica in poetry I feel should be tantalizing, alluring and well, restrained to some measure...methodical and slow much like the love-making act itself...otherwise it's just a quick grind and not nearly as fulfilling eh?  I especially like erotic poetry that includes the character's thought or feelings or even vocalizations as they tend to tease the reader into the act.  Personal preferences aside...there is definately a place for all kinds of erotica and we can all beg out of partaking in any that we find either boring or tasteless.  Happy day to all~~~Oiseau
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Eroticism is an aesthetic focus on sexual desire, especially the feelings of anticipation of sexual activity. It is not only the state of arousal and anticipation, but also the attempt through whatever creative means of representation (with respect) to incite those inner feelings.

The word "eroticism" is derived from the name of the Greek god of love, Eros. It is conceived as sensual love or the human sex drive (libido). In another word a natural drive. Great writers and artist have expressed it, through out time.

The term, "what you fear most will come upon you", could hold true here. Because it is society that fears creativity in sexual freedom and healing. A society that is in a sexual bondage itself yet reacts secretly to voyeurism, com'on you never watched a love scene in a movie and enjoyed it? Fearing their own sexual inner desires and potential, yet wanting it. But isn't that where Eroticism comes from? The Inner self? Should one be scorn for a sexual fantasy or wet dream? How natural and erotic is a wet dream?

Erotica could be replaced here with creativity. The next poem or story you write ask yourself just how creative is it. Did you really take the reader on a journey of romance and sensuality. Did you build up (foreplay) to the climax. Or did you just offer more flat tasting bubble gum?

Kay I hope you dont mind ..I changed the headline slightly and put Erotica in the fore front. I think its time [creative] erotica comes out of the closet.

Disclaimer: cafeRg could be wrong.

Offline Kay

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Oiseau,  Thank you. I'm appreciative of your thoughts on this.

Rg, That is a very well said description and thought on this subject.
Thank you. (a better subject title, yes)

I'm glad that this is being discussed for my own personal reasons,
but also because I think it needs to be.


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Hey! I'm new here, thanks to an invite from RG!  :cheekiss

Ahem, I wrote an article about this subject a few years ago but in summary to me, as an erotic writer:


1. Erotica refers to literature or photography that depicts sex in a subtle or socially redeeming manner, to be associated with suggestive or symbolic images of desire and sexual arousal and pleasure.

2. Erotica involves emotions, love, passion and tender sensations.
 
3. Erotica allows for the possibility of women and men engaging as 'equals'.


The article itself was a comparison between erotica and pornography and is up on my website :)

Now excuse me, whilst I just go and settle in here ;)

Inkserotica xx

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Inkserotica.

Welcome, welcome. I like your input so much.
I'm looking forward to more from you (in the way of poetry
or prose) that is. Thank you!

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somewhere between:

good versus bad
taboo versus accepted
permitted versus surrendered

to me "control" is the key word to an erotic event (in the bedroom or in the writing room)
give away too much too quickly and it falls limp too soon
try to prolong it too long - only so many dates in a lifetime

and yet , so personal
what is erotic to one may be boring or offensive to another

universally - perhaps the arousal of the desire for more arousal
that part of me which seeks to be engaged until me is lost

there - that should clear things right up !
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wellwisher,

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universally - perhaps the arousal of the desire for more arousal
that part of me which seeks to be engaged until me is lost

This is a very good for feedback. Thank you.

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pornography is just showing it in your face. Erotica (to me) is hinting and innuendo. It may not even be R rated to be erotic. It happens 90 percent in the readers (or viewers) mind.

Exhibitionism is not erotica.

But the erotic can also be more obvious if it is done in a playful, passionate way not (as you say) wham-bam
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Knowing, or at least being told of the differences between men and women I find this discussion of great interest.  I often say "When it comes to chocolate, I'm a woman."   :kisslady  In the same light, I guess, when it comes to erotica I'm a woman.  Maybe some would disagree having read what I have written. 

I prefer to lead the reader down a path.  Sure there is a destination, but the journey is the true pleasure.  Seduction is where wit, intelligence and imagination must be at their peak performance.  Thus, exercising  the largest sex organ, the brain.   I want it to make my heart race because of the emotion rather than the motion.

My first poetic post, "With No Thoughts But Pleasure" is by far the most graphic thing I have ever posted anywhere.  Interestingly, what others have said in this discussion has caused me to think that some other things I have written may in fact be erotica.  Where as before I simply saw them as sensual but not really erotica.  When I write (sensually, erotica), my intent is to please a mainly female audience.  If by using graphic language I am taking "two steps back" I want to know.  Of course, preferences vary with every different person.

I have seen some comments on topics saying that they are simply "porn".  It did make me question whether or not I should use some of the language that I did.  Any specific thoughts on that would be appreciated.

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Thamk you both so much for responding; I had forgotten that Rg stickied this up here.
But I think that the whole gist of erotica is simply "suggestion" and the journey to get "there"
if you know what I mean. I read a book recently by Anita Shreve (just last week as a matter of fact)_ and it is (to me) the most erotic book I've ever read. There's one part in the beginning
when the man finds the woman of his dreams, rubs up against her arm/elbow and ....well
you'd have to read it. It really had an effect.

But it wasn't porn, it was hot, erotic.  To me, (and this is just my  opinion, ok? I think really hard porn
desensitizes a person to where they are not as sensitive to the foreplay that
true erotica can and should achieve.


Anyway, thanks for the comments on this topic.

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We probably shouldny  tell anyone how they should write, 
no matter how sleezy some poetry can be I suppose.